Wow you did have an extreme case, 32 mg of Suboxone is a lot. Well glad you're alive and you made it. Buddy of mine was shooting three 80 mg oxys a day and he only needed 8 mg subbie. You should go in some kind of record book or something. Respect. It takes some big brass balls to kick a habit that big.
But it's not covered by insurance because it is dangerous and I believe these people had to pay $10-15K out-of-pocket but because they came from relatively rich families, they could afford it and one of them had organ failure. Both of the people I know who got the rapid detox, ended up relapsing a short time later because like they said, the rapid detox doesn't fix the brain or body, it just rapidly removes the drugs from your system, so your brain still wants the drugs and the person will still have some physical withdrawal symptoms, just not as bad. Even the ones in the U.S. I believe they said it was like 72 hours and when they woke up, they were still feeling shitty because their brain still wanted the drugs but their physical symptoms weren't nearly as bad as if they were on day 3-4 of a detox. If I remember correctly, one of them was in liver and kidney failure so she couldn't go through a regular detox with Methadone or Suboxone and the doctors wanted her to get the drugs out of her system ASAP so they could try and help treat her liver and kidneys and basically prevent her from dying. She said she had bowel movements that were pure white and that's how the doctors could l she was in organ failure. I know I couldn't afford $10-15K for a one-time rapid detox. are dangerous and people have died or have had serious problems doing the rapid detox. I don't know how true what she said was but I don't believe she would have any reason to lie about that. I've met maybe 2 people who have done it. But it's not 24 hours and it's not painless. As for the rapid detox, they do that in the U.S.
Like I said before, I think if the methadone clinics were run the same way, they would be able to help people, but the way they're run right now is a joke, at least the ones where I live. I can guarantee if that was the situation here, I wouldn't have done so well because I would have just kept using. I had great success in the Suboxone program because it was so tightly controlled. The weekly drug tests, therapy, and meetings always kept me responsible for my own actions and I knew I couldn't get away with using even once. As for Suboxone, I've been on and off Suboxone several times over the 10+ years I used heroin. I'm one of those people who can use a drug and have it take a LONG time to get out of my urine, so I can't use and expect to pass a test in a week. I know if the Suboxone doctors had said "oh, it's OK, just keep using and we'll keep giving you Suboxone" I wouldn't have stopped. The way the Suboxone clinics in my state are run, they make people get drug tested biweekly the first few months and then weekly. I've heard that in other states, people pay cash and only see their doctor once every 3-6 months and rarely get drug tested. They require weekly therapy with a therapist of your choice and some kind of meeting, whether it be AA, NA, SMART Recovery, anything.
Start with 10mg, don't make any rash decisions until 45-60 mins later. Ultimay you can end up eating those bastards like Smarties, you just don't want to start off hat way.
How could he take 40 Vicodin at a time? That would cause severe liver damage, especially if done more than once. The liver isn't supposed to take more than 4,000 mg of acetaminophen within 24 hours, 2000 mg per 24 hours is the safe dose, though.
At first, you're like "oh, this is so cheap" but because it's so cheap, you can keep doing more and before you know it, you need to inject an entire bundle every 6 hours to not get sick. Everyone I know that used to use pills, moved to heroin once pills got too difficult to find. Well, they all knew I was an addict because I had gone away for rehab and been arrested several times, but I didn't know any of them were using and they didn't know each other were using. So the low cost and high potency makes the addiction much worse than if it were more expensive and shitty. In my family, out of 10 people that are in their 20's, every single one is a heroin addict but none of us knew the others were using at the time. I don't know where you live but where I live, it seems a huge percentage of people between 16-40 are heroin addicts. Heroin is super cheap and strong where I live so that makes it easy for people to get addicted and get a huge tolerance.
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I used heroin for about 10 years and while I developed a very high tolerance over those years, my tolerance the last 2 months was far higher than any other time in the 10 years of using because I had unlimited money at that time and didn't give a fuck about anything. I was spending huge amounts of money just to not be sick and wasn't feeling any euphoria. I'll be honest, if I hadn't compley wasted the majority of my settlement in less than 2 months, I can't say I would have actually wanted to stop. I had lost 2 close friends to overdoses and a close family member all within 3 days of each other and had all that money in my bank account and said fuck it and went all out and almost killed myself. I'm glad I made it through detox because even the nurses and other patients at the detox said they've never seen someone be that sick, on the max dose of Methadone, but somehow I forced myself to stay and get help. But the fact that I would inject about 14 bags in one shot and not feel anything (besides not being sick) really pissed me off.
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I learned after that most people that get poked in the hands don't catch anything. I was lucky though. My entire family smokes and I've seen countless family members die from cancer caused by smoking. But I'm trying to say that people can use drugs and not catch diseases or infections. Despite using needles for probably 8 years, I never once got any infection or disease, not even a cyst, simply because I had a little bit of hyigene and didn't share needles. Where I was in my using at the end, I didn't give a fuck either, but I still didn't want to destroy my body and die slowly. I don't smoke cigarettes and never have. One time, I was in a car with 3 other addicts and I knew at least 2 of them had Hep C. That definiy killed my high, but he was too high to even care. Anyway, it was very dark in the car and I reached under the seat for the cigarette pack and went to grab him a cigarette when I got poked by one of his needles that he had just used. I got tested several times over the next 2 years and thankfully, never caught anything. I ran into the gas station and washed my hands for a while. I was pissed. Well, I was one of the few that didn't just because I didn't share my needles, spoons, cotton, or water, with anyone. My hand was bleeding pretty well and I freaked out. It seems the vast majority of addicts I knew that used needles all had Hep C and it was just understood that everyone had it. It was night time and hard to see and he asked me to hand him a cigarette. One of them was high and put his needle in his cigarette pack WITHOUT the cap on.
Neither withdrawal was painless or easy. I don't know what opiates you were addicted to but my last heroin withdrawal almost killed me and I had a grand mal seizure due to an electrolyte imbalance caused by severe dehydration after vomiting and diarrhea every 10 minutes for several days. I know I was using a LOT at the time but in the 10 years I used heroin, I never had a painless detox and frankly, loperamide never did shit for me. While I have detoxed cold turkey off benzos (only given antiseizure meds) and heroin, the heroin withdrawal was more physical with constant vomiting and diarrhea, and the benzo withdrawal was more feeling like I was insane.
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Start small and work your way up by the 5mg. I wouldn't go take 40mg or some shit, that's just stupid.
Or you can take an 16 mg suboxone strip and cut into smaller and smaller strips until you are at zero after a few weeks. You didn't use enough Loperamide. For a monster habit you have to take about 50 tablets along with cimetidine and grapefruit juice.
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And I know people taking over 100 mg of methadone maintenance But 14 bags in a shot. They should put your picture on the wall at the recovery center with the words "If I can do it you can do it". You're lucky you never found a carfentenil connection, sounds like elephant dope would have been the only thing to get you high. Damn, good luck staying clean. My old sponsor would take 40 Vicodins at at a time but which is insane for your liver but isn't that much dope really. Day-um, I've been hanging around NA since 1988 and I don't think I 've ever run into anyone with a habit that bad.
The methadone clinics in my state all only accept Medicaid, no self-pay, and no private insurance so all the patients get Methadone free from the state. They used to do self-pay but it was like $200 a week and they stopped that. The Suboxone clinics accept Medicaid but also accept Medicare, private insurance, and self-pay so anyone can get Suboxone if they're willing to follow the rules. I can't l you how many people I met at the clinic that were high or drunk when they came in to get their dose or how many people openly admitted they were only on methadone so they wouldn't get sick when they couldn't afford heroin or people who said they just kept increasing their dose so they would be high. I walked out of the clinic after a short time because the clinics here only seem to care about keeping patients as long as possible and there were zero repercussions for using or breaking clinic rules. I saw one friend who was on almost 200 mg of Methadone and would inject 2 bundles (20 bags) at once and take Xanax or Klonopin to get high. It disgusted me. I think the methadone clinics around here could help a lot more people if they changed their ways and actually held people responsible. Almost every single person I used to get high with is on the methadone clinic now and guess what? They're all STILL using heroin or switched their addiction to alcohol, coke/crack, or benzos. I wanted to get better, not get addicted to methadone and keep using other drugs. Most of them are on doses over 150 mg of methadone a day. There are about 5-6 clinics within a 30 minute drive from my house (I live in a suburban area so it's basically a drive to anywhere) and each of them are in high drug areas so people get their dose of methadone and walk outside and buy/use/sell drugs in the parking lot or street. I can't count how many times there have been stories on the news about dealers getting caught because they park directly across the street from the clinics to sell heroin or crack. If a patient fails 3 tests in a row, they either get banned for 90 days, have to join IOP, or have to go to detox before they are allowed back. I've been on Suboxone and the Suboxone clinics in my area all require weekly drug testing, weekly therapy, and attending groups. You mentioned methadone, I've been given methadone at detox centers and I tried the clinic for a short time and it was a joke. I'm sorry but I believe if someone is still using, they shouldn't be given Methadone on top of it, especially because it's free. If they did something similar to what the Suboxone clinics here do, I think it could help a lot of people, but right now, the clinics in my area seem to just be making people worse.
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Do they even do that in America or is that a go to Mexico thing. Hey what's up with that 24 hour detox where they detox you under anesthesia. My grandsponsor who worked in recovery said Mitch (my sponsor) was the worst addict he'd ever seen. He'd do crazy stuff like inject LSD (I guess he's soak a blotter or buy it as a liquid) Last I saw Mitch he was on methadone maintenance and pushing a shopping cart around collecting cans. That was pretty much the end of that marriage. Pretty sure he had had a heart attack by that point and I'm pretty sure he's dead now. His wife found him ODd in the bathroom. I sure would hate to get kicked off suboxone, everyone I talk to say it's the worst kick ever. The guy who was taking 40 vics a day was my first sponsor in NA and well he was at the I don't give a fuck point.
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But after long term use there is no euphoria. You won't have a seizure from kicking opiates and loperamide will make it pretty painless.I have to take benzos to combat Parnate insomnia and 60 mg of Dalmane is about the only thing that works. Opiates produce more euphoria and are easier to kick.
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I have 25 10mg Roche Diazepam, I've have only ever taken half of one before and was smoking weed so hard to l whether I really felt it.
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Smoking weed is great with it.
I'll update if I remember. Sounds good man, think I'll try 20mg. Thanks!.
30mg is where I'd start if you are looking for rec value.
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10-15mg should have you feeling great. 20mg if you're feeling adventurous. Valium is one of my favorites.
They didn't take my dose seriously and put me on ATIVAN as needed (wtf) when I was stuck in the ER of a hospital that advertised treatment on their website that didn't actually have treatment. Even when I was down to 10mg at the end. I was taking etiz daily in high doses prior to going to the hospital before inpatient treatment. Was stuck in the er suffering from benzo and dope wd for three days before being transfered. I love the stuff. Even after my very high etiz habit, 30mg Valium had me feeling great when they started it. Since they didn't know anything about it, I brought a box of etizest MD with me. Once I got to an actual facility, they got me on a Valium taper.
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That was my fault though because I overdid it. 16 mg of Suboxone didn't do shit. Neither did 32 mg. Heroin is cheap where I live, at only about $30 for a bundle (10 bags) and I was injecting 12-14 bags in one shot and not even getting high. I got some money from an insurance settlement and foolishly wasted about $20K in less than 2 months on heroin and Fentanyl. When I got to detox, they gave me the highest dose of Methadone they can legally give, which was either 40 or 45 mg and it just slowed down the vomiting and diarrhea but didn't stop it compley and even after the 12 or 13-day detox, I was still sick. Before having that much money, the most I ever injected at one time was about 5 bags (varied depending on quality), so my case was extreme. Granted, that was the worst detox I've ever had and I don't know anyone who had such a high tolerance as I did the last time.
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First off I have looked through the sub but seem to get very conflicting information on what dosage to take.
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100mg+ if tolerant - you'll feel it the next day too.
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It does cut back on weed induced anxiety though. But I'd rather kick heroin than my Dalmane habit at this point.
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Enjoy. 15-20mg can't go wrong. Valium has some of the most unique pronounced "euphoria".Valium dosage reddit